What is Sky up to ???? [Archive] - New Zealand's Digital TV Forum

Apsattv

20-06-2008, 12:13 AM

They have fired up two 1/2 transponders on D2 in DVB-S2 which gives them enough capacity for 6 HD channels. I don't think we will see them sharing space with foxtel until Optus D3 goes up.

Sky Sports 1 HD
Sky Sports 2 HD
Sky Movies
Sky Movies Greats
TV3 HD
Prime HD.

herbie_g

20-06-2008, 08:31 AM

They have fired up two 1/2 transponders on D2 in DVB-S2 which gives them enough capacity for 6 HD channels. I don't think we will see them sharing space with foxtel until Optus D3 goes up.

Optus D2? Really? Freq and s/r please... Or is this a typo?

Cheers.

openmedia

20-06-2008, 10:05 AM

Optus D2? Really? Freq and s/r please... Or is this a typo?

Cheers.

Sorry Typo.. Optus D1

Injuised

20-06-2008, 06:03 PM

Seems obvious?

D1 +C1 sourced HD. D1 12519V still has content maybe they will fit some more hd on the other pol.

The dual head is already D1/C1 what are they planning for the third one
may be freeloading more channels of D2

Apsattv

20-06-2008, 07:34 PM

Are you sure about the third head?

D1+C1+D2?

Sky + UBI ethnic addon hmmm?

Injuised

20-06-2008, 11:27 PM

Allmost sure will know more next week
The dual lnb they are using now only has one outlet with a 22Khz switch built in so if they are going to use D1/C1 for multiple STBs its not going to work. so they do need to come up with a new lnb and start using multi switches.

And it appears it is just the HD installs gettin new dishes and LNBs

Injuised

20-06-2008, 11:31 PM

What would the politics be on sky pickin up the globecast transponders on their decoders like they do with stratos and cue

Apsattv

21-06-2008, 12:02 AM

What would the politics be on sky pickin up the globecast transponders on their decoders like they do with stratos and cue

I doubt it! Sky isn't in the FTA business otherwise Prime woudl be FTA on the satellite ;)

openmedia

21-06-2008, 10:31 AM

What would the politics be on sky pickin up the globecast transponders on their decoders like they do with stratos and cue

Stratos and Que are carried with the full permission of the broadcasters.

Injuised

21-06-2008, 11:14 AM

So if they got permission from globecast there would be nothing stopping them from using those transponders, it is going to cost Sky next to nothing to do this , it will give them a boquet of exta channels for nothing, and it is in the best interest of globecast, ( from what I understand it is only the HD installs getting this )

wiredr

21-06-2008, 04:40 PM

I doubt it! Sky isn't in the FTA business otherwise Prime woudl be FTA on the satellite ;)

that's where you are wrong apsattv, for a one off fee of $145 paid to sky you can get a satellite dish and decoder installed which will allow you to watch prime there are no on going fees, so in my book that makes prime free to-air .

also from an article in the listener written by Russell Brown " sky subscribers spend more hours watching free to-air channels via their sky decoders, paying for the privilege , than watching sky's own content. "and later , " that's a lot of money that sky can simply pocket, ... or use to outbid those same free to-air channels for free to-air content. "
so why then are viewers paying a subscription to watch free to-air channels. ?

krs

21-06-2008, 04:45 PM

You can only get prime this way if you are in an area that has no prime uhf signal. It would only be fta if you could do that anywhere. Can you use your own receiver - no.
They only do it as a tempter to suck you in to a subscription.

wiredr

21-06-2008, 04:49 PM

what a load of s%3!* krs, sky have officially stopped installing uhf sky as of 1st may 2008.

Injuised

21-06-2008, 05:25 PM

what a load of s%3!* krs, sky have officially stopped installing uhf sky as of 1st may 2008.

Whos talking about Sky UHF
KRS was refering to Prime on UHF and if you are in a marginal or no signal area Sky will install a dish and a receiver for you ,

The reason Sky need to use their receiver is because of the NDS encryption.
Rupert owns NDS therefore it is only a sky receiver that can legally decode the signal

krs

21-06-2008, 09:14 PM

what a load of s%3!* krs, sky have officially stopped installing uhf sky as of 1st may 2008.
There are a lot of people in this country that can't get UHF Prime coverage. If they already have satellite reception why should they have to pay Sky another $145 to get Prime a supposed FTA channel?
Prime FTA on Sat will happen sooner or later. Probably later. Till then turn off all your gear and save our southern hydro lakes.

wiredr

21-06-2008, 09:37 PM

so paying DSE $399 for a dtt receiver is different then. the true meaning of free to-air is not paying a subscription fee,

wiredr

21-06-2008, 09:45 PM

You can only get prime this way if you are in an area that has no prime uhf signal. .

as i said before krs sky are no longer installing uhf services. so whether you can get prime uhf or not is irrelevant . i know this for a fact as i have both prime uhf and sky digital prime.

Apsattv

21-06-2008, 10:11 PM

so paying DSE $399 for a dtt receiver is different then. the true meaning of free to-air is not paying a subscription fee,

Well that is open to different interpretation. Generally analogue terrestrial TV is always Free to Air and available to anyone who purchases a tv/vcr/etc etc. Not many countries have analogue encrypted pay tv services operating on UHF.

Did paying Sky $145 for prime on its own let you own the box??

Free to air to me means a NON encrypted open access signal. Be it Analogue or Digital or satellite or terrestrial.

wiredr

22-06-2008, 06:53 AM

Free to air to me means a NON encrypted open access signal.

so that means that high definition tv with hdcp control is not free to-air . hdcp is a form of encryption .

Injuised

22-06-2008, 09:57 AM

Well that is open to different interpretation. Generally analogue terrestrial TV is always Free to Air and available to anyone who purchases a tv/vcr/etc etc. Not many countries have analogue encrypted pay tv services operating on UHF.

Did paying Sky $145 for prime on its own let you own the box??

Free to air to me means a NON encrypted open access signal. Be it Analogue or Digital or satellite or terrestrial.

no you pay the 145 and Sky still own the box,
You dont want to own the box any way they are the biggest pieces of shit

Injuised

22-06-2008, 10:14 AM

so that means that high definition tv with hdcp control is not free to-air . hdcp is a form of encryption .

HDCP is not a form of encryption, it is copy protection

Encryption is the conversion of data into a form, called a ciphertext, that cannot be easily understood by unauthorized people

openmedia

22-06-2008, 11:15 AM

Well that is open to different interpretation. Generally analogue terrestrial TV is always Free to Air and available to anyone who purchases a tv/vcr/etc etc. Not many countries have analogue encrypted pay tv services operating on UHF.

Did paying Sky $145 for prime on its own let you own the box??

Free to air to me means a NON encrypted open access signal. Be it Analogue or Digital or satellite or terrestrial.

Prime is FTV or free to view with appropriate equipment and decoder card.

Freeview's services are true FTA as you can buy the equipment and don't require a smart card.

krs

22-06-2008, 01:27 PM

so paying DSE $399 for a dtt receiver is different then. the true meaning of free to-air is not paying a subscription fee,

Buying a receiver to pick up channels is a cost, not a subscription.
Even with analogue aerial signals you still need to buy an aerial to pick up the signals.
I don't get your point. The true meaning? I thought that would be meaning that you can purchase the equipment that you choose to pick up the services. What you are suggesting, would be like FV encrypting their channels so that you had to use a FV certified box. (that would be fun wouldn't it after all the problems they have!). That's not FTA.
Don't you see that if you wanted to receive FV channels and Prime via satellite, in an area that doesn't get Prime UHF you would need to have your own dish/receiver for FV and then sky's receiver for $145 for Prime.

Magoo

22-06-2008, 05:51 PM

What is Sky up to ????
heard they are going for multihead LNBs and multiswitches,
and new 76cm dishes

Can confirm Ive also heard about multihead lnb's but nothing in regards to 76 dish and multiswitch.

The other thing Ive heard is we will be running dual rg6 cable from dish to receiver for HD......great, wont that look purdy when an external run is required let alone the extra difficulty of installing a dual rg6 cable in a pre-wired or pre-existing install.

Maybe this year is the year I finally give up installing Sky after almost 9 years as an installer, they keep adding extra work and complexity to jobs and costs of actually getting to the job keep increasing yet the contractor rates remain lower than the rate of inflation!!! Any offers considered...lol rant over.

Will know more officially after the 25th of June.

Injuised

22-06-2008, 06:50 PM

Can confirm Ive also heard about multihead lnb's but nothing in regards to 76 dish and multiswitch.

The other thing Ive heard is we will be running dual rg6 cable from dish to receiver for HD......great, wont that look purdy when an external run is required let alone the extra difficulty of installing a dual rg6 cable in a pre-wired or pre-existing install.

Maybe this year is the year I finally give up installing Sky after almost 9 years as an installer, they keep adding extra work and complexity to jobs and costs of actually getting to the job keep increasing yet the contractor rates remain lower than the rate of inflation!!! Any offers considered...lol rant over.

Will know more officially after the 25th of June.

I know what you mean , I spent ten years with them and in that time the rate only went up $5, with twice the paper work, politics,not to mention all the extra work, and then they dont pay when you have to go back to the job to replace their delapidated gear which isnt even tested before they throw it back in the field,

I just heard there is going to be a dual cable on all new installs starting 1st july and a multi outlet LNB later in the year

Magoo

22-06-2008, 07:49 PM

I know what you mean , I spent ten years with them and in that time the rate only went up $5, with twice the paper work, politics,not to mention all the extra work, and then they dont pay when you have to go back to the job to replace their delapidated gear which isnt even tested before they throw it back in the field,

I just heard there is going to be a dual cable on all new installs starting 1st july and a multi outlet LNB later in the year

Totally agree with the above, I think unless they pull some decent incentives out of their coffers they are going to start having an even higher technician turn over rate which is the last thing the consumer needs as it becomes more and more complex to install, work quality will suffer which leads to the decent techs out there being tarred with the same damn brush, but alas, you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

And as for official training, I think the last time I had any real official training was just before the Dual LNB's were released and that consisted of about 5 minutes of a practical demonstration, that was about 3 years ago.

I shudder to think how the newbs get on today.

krs

22-06-2008, 08:19 PM

What are the rates they pay now?

Dual cables to multihead. C1 and D1? More transmission capacity.
Were the dual head tone switch lnb's being put in over the last few yeasr just meant as a backup plan for D1 failure?

Magoo

22-06-2008, 09:08 PM

What are the rates they pay now?

I guess that will vary between individual contract companies etc and at this point I wont reveal what I get paid from the company I contract too however I will will reveal what another company pays their techs without disclosing who.

In 2000 a full sat install including a telephone point was $86+gst. Dish, mounts, LNB, F-connects etc, splitters, tech screws, telephone points and telephone cable are supplied at no charge to the contractor (although must be accounted for of course).

RG6, clips, ties and silicon are at the cost of the contractor and not reimbursable. Contractor also supplies meter, tools, vehicle and running costs and all other costs and obligations of sub contracting to sky and being self employed.

In 2008 a full sat install including a telephone point is $100+gst. Same as above.

So as you can see a $14 increase over the course of 8.5 years.
Installing or replacing the current Mysky is at exactly the same rate as standard satellite.

Injuised

22-06-2008, 09:53 PM

When i gave up doing Sky work a couple of years ago we were getting $107+GST and the contractor supplied the RG6
Only $70 if you didnt put a phone jack in
The travel was another story
Some days I would travel up to 400Ks and only get $100 travel costs
And do you think I got any thanks

And yes KRS we were told the dual was to be used for additional programming on C1 but I think Sky made a BOO BOO , The dual LNB only has 1 output and a 22Khz switch so is useless on multiple decoders unless they use it for back up incase of D1 failure

sub

23-06-2008, 06:33 AM

Sorry, off-topic but I have a question that one of you Sky installers may be able to help answer.

I develop TV software for PCs (see www.gbpvr.com). I mainly use TelstraClear's DVB-C digital cable, Freeview DVB-S/T signals for my development. For quite a while I've wanted to add Sky to my list of test signals, but it would only be worth me signing up if I could be sure I'd end up with one of the newer receivers with the second generation smartcards (the blue ones) - since I could use this with a trex/dragon CAM module.

Do sky accept requests for specific receiver models, or do you pretty much get what you're given? or does the installer have a pile of decoders in his van and he picks one at the time he does the install?

Any insights into how the receiver is allocated would be useful.

Injuised

23-06-2008, 09:10 AM

Nice software i use it my self

Generally its the installer that just installs what he has in his van at the time
you can make a request when you ring sky but i doubt if the CSR would even know what you talkin about

Probably best to go into your local branch and ask there

Injuised

23-06-2008, 09:12 AM

trex/dragon CAM module

is this NDS

sub

23-06-2008, 09:57 AM

Nice software i use it my selfCheers.

Generally its the installer that just installs what he has in his van at the time
you can make a request when you ring sky but i doubt if the CSR would even know what you talkin aboutThanks - thats what I thought.

Probably best to go into your local branch and ask thereI was thinking they'd probably think its a bit suspicious if I asked for a specific decoder. I wouldnt be able to tell them my intention was to remove the card from the decoder and use it in my PC :D

BTW, does anyone know of any Sky decoders that come with the blue smartcard other than the small slim line silver pace decoder, and the mysky units?

Yes, the trex and dragon CAM modules are able to decrypt our flavour of NDS from what I've read.

Magoo

23-06-2008, 10:11 AM

The Pace slimline use the new blue with red stripe smart cards.

The current Mysky units use the same card but without the stripe, if a stripe card is used in a Mysky they act only as a rec not a pvr.

No other receivers that im aware of will read the newer cards.

You can request a slimline receiver and its not an unusual request at all for a customer to have, however the tech should advise you on precall if he has any available at the time to install.

sub

23-06-2008, 10:25 AM

The Pace slimline use the new blue with red stripe smart cards.

The current Mysky units use the same card but without the stripe, if a stripe card is used in a Mysky they act only as a rec not a pvr.Thanks for the extra info. I hadnt heard this bit before. Its good to know.

No other receivers that im aware of will read the newer cards.

You can request a slimline receiver and its not an unusual request at all for a customer to have,Great.

however the tech should advise you on precall if he has any available at the time to install.and if he doesnt havnt have one at time, would they usually be happy defer to the install until one is available?

BTW, one more thing, do all the Pace slimline decoders use this new card, or are there some that use the old goldcards?

Thanks for the info.

BadMac

23-06-2008, 05:19 PM

When my Installer rang me to setup a time, I told him it was for the master bedroom (multiroom) and I didn't want the big ugly box on top of the chest of drawers, I asked if he had/could get the small slim unit. He said no problem and bought one with him.

He did say they are harder to get, normally Sky just send him a batch of decoders and sometimes theres a couple in the box. He keeps them aside for special customers of people who request them.

So ask your installer, tell him you only want the small unit and ask him to only book in your install when he has one.

Injuised

23-06-2008, 10:55 PM

Thanks for the extra info. I hadnt heard this bit before. Its good to know.

Great.

and if he doesnt havnt have one at time, would they usually be happy defer to the install until one is available?

BTW, one more thing, do all the Pace slimline decoders use this new card, or are there some that use the old goldcards?

Thanks for the info.

When the slimlines first came ouy all they had was the gold cards, then there were issues so they introdused the blue card with red stripe, why i dont know

Magoo is right ask for a slimline when you ring up and then ask the tech when he rings as communication between Sky and the techs is very poor

sub

24-06-2008, 04:18 AM

Thanks for the info guys.

Magoo

24-06-2008, 02:39 PM

Thanks for the info guys.

No problem :)

The slimlines can use the standard smart card, but we have been advised that if we come across a slimline with the the standard card we are to swap it out for the stripey, what the stripey can do other than have the pin no. set from sky's end i'm not sure.

If a customer wants a slimline and we dont have any in stock (right now we have none...lol) and the cust wants to defer until such time we do have them in stock then thats the customers right as far as im concerned.

Where it gets a little tricky and annoying for the tech and the customer is organising a time for when we do have them, tech really doesnt give a flying toss as we are not paid for anything other than work completed so most techs wont make any special effort as there is nothing in it for them.

Injuised

17-07-2008, 07:39 PM

Sky techs will be running new cables, 2 cables from the dish, 1 is just your bog standard RG6 the other is a dual core cable with 1 sheild,
The new LNB will have 4 outputs not sure on the configuration but probably
H D1, V D1, D2, C1 or H D1, V D1, H C1, V C1 the multiswitch is built into the new HDi box

cyril

17-07-2008, 10:00 PM

Hi, Injuised, any more details, I was of the understanding that the new LNBs would be 4output, but still dual orbit locations (160/156) with any future capacity off D3 (to fly with C1 at 156) and all on Hpol so only Hpol from the two locations required thus only two feeds from the dish would be required in reality. That said I only know from wispers. Obviously any other info is of interest.

My understanding is that D3 would only have Hpol transponders pointed our way for any usefull purpose, much like D1, hence Hpol all round.

Cyril

Injuised

17-07-2008, 10:36 PM

dont know much more at this stage im getting all my info second hand as i am not too popular with sky management anymore

too me it looks like all the h pol TPs are full leaving only the verts on D1

dont know anything about the TPs on D3 may be Craig knows more but if it is only H pol on NZ all the bordernet modems will need their polarity changed

cyril

18-07-2008, 08:41 AM

D3 will fly at 156E with C1 not 152E with D2, so Bordernet is not an issue. Yes I think its most likely to be D1V that the third feed will be for (best guess). Will be interesting for long runs, those simese cables SkyUK put in also, not much better performance than RG59 so are only allowed for shorter runs, interesting times for home owners ahead.

I guess the question is all this new LNB hardware ready for next month or will HDi boxs be going in on current antenna arrangements and a revisit, I mean D3 is still sitting in a hanger in Virginia being built, and there is no capacity for use on C1 so any new expansion will be on Skys current unused D1 space.

Cyril

kiwisteve

18-07-2008, 09:20 AM

Looks like D1 was made with insufficient NZ Spot beam capacity

Injuised

19-07-2008, 12:29 PM

160 HDi jobs booked for Nelon/West Coast region

Injuised

19-07-2008, 12:32 PM

Looks like D1 was made with insufficient NZ Spot beam capacity

Might have been ok if they didnt build it upside down:)

Injuised

20-07-2008, 05:29 PM

Word is the new LNB is the same as the dual but with 4 outputs so that would make it 1.C1/D3 ver 2.C1/D3 hor 3.D1 ver 4. D1 hor

wiredr

21-07-2008, 07:12 AM

Injuised

21-07-2008, 07:46 PM

are you just guessing or do you know c1 is the other satellite . i thought the back up was going to be d2 . d2 doesnt beam any mepg4 at the moment and has heaps of spare capacity, c1 has 6 hd channels already . having 4 lnb outputs would mean a combi of v and h off same satellite . sky would not need to upsize their dish if they were using c1 but they would for d2,

Why on earth would they use D2 as a backup when most of their LNBs are allready pointing to C1 as a backup, and arent you forgetting about D3.There will be loads of capacity when it goes behind C1. Whch ever sat they are going to use it is going to be HD only and the new HDi has a multiswitch built into it so V and H off same sat no issue

cyril

21-07-2008, 08:20 PM

I think you will find that Sky have no interest in D2 at all, its all 160/156 with the 156 capacity on D3 rather than C1. Exactly how the C1/D3 is divided up between Foxtel and SkyNZ is anyones guess, but between them 156 will have capacity from 11,700 to 12750.

Other unaswered questions I have is, the LNB itself, is it a quad (ie 4 outputs with dedicated states, ie 156H,156V,160H,160V) or a quattro with any output capable of any inputs source. And when exactly will the new antenna config be rolled out, with every HDi install, or will it be gradual to all sub (SD or HD) overtime.

As for now with another 2 tranponders (4x 22500 muxs) for Sky to take up, and D3 still sitting in a hanger I guess there is no real rush to update antenna systesms.

Cyril

wiredr

22-07-2008, 07:24 PM

i spoke to a sky installer today and he said "there are 4 output lnb's one for each tuner,source will be a combo of v and h , d3 will be the other satellite and will be available jan 09 "so that means that the 4 port lnb will be on d1, and only one tuner will be used , till jan 09 .

Injuised

22-07-2008, 08:16 PM

Injuised

22-07-2008, 08:44 PM

Other unaswered questions I have is, the LNB itself, is it a quad (ie 4 outputs with dedicated states, ie 156H,156V,160H,160V) or a quattro with any output capable of any inputs source.

Cyril

With the multiswitch built into the Decoder, Im guessing Quad .with C1/D3 as a HD only satellite.Using the Ver and Hor of D1 going to a My Sky box as a second and third decoder. The Sky Legacy boxes will remain Vertically challenged as they are getting phased out

cyril

22-07-2008, 08:56 PM

Yeah pretty much my guess is the 3rd feed was just an extra for a multiroom situation, otherwise its Hpol of each bird, so two feeds are all thats really needed with a multiswitch replacing any central splitter in current installs.

End result is new prewires I do will continue with 2 feeds from hub to dish, and minumum of 2 feeds (3 or 4) to each major AV point, one to each minor (bedrooms etc), just as I have done for a couple of years or more.

Cyril

Injuised

23-07-2008, 05:41 PM

cyril

23-07-2008, 08:27 PM

Had crossed my mind. Then again I like the Sky UK setup, where the PVR is the standard box, but you can still buy outright standard NDS STBs which are more appropriate to bedroom or secondry room usage, not everyone needs a PVR, especially if there are one or two other PVRs in the house.

I guess it would be good to get a future expansion plan from Sky as to how they intend to use various capacity, so cablers can help plan appropriatly.

Cyril

Injuised

23-07-2008, 09:51 PM

Good luck getting any information out of them, even as one of their techs i used to have allot of trouble getting any info at all,

Maybe Sky will sell the legacy boxes as they do follow the UK model

cyril

23-07-2008, 10:12 PM

Good luck getting any information out of them, even as one of their techs i used to have allot of trouble getting any info at all,

:rolleyes:

Injuised

28-07-2008, 10:35 PM

kiwisteve

29-07-2008, 11:02 AM

Sky will most likely use the upper 11ghz > lower 12ghz allocation of the new D3

Injuised

30-07-2008, 10:56 PM

Sounds like the Sky HDi box has software issues allready, the SD pics through the HDMI cable are so poor techs are having to use the S-video lead to get a watchable picture,

Are the SD pics upscaled on a HDi at all I wonder, if it does it sounds like the upscaler is downscaling

cyril

31-07-2008, 10:50 AM

Injuised

31-07-2008, 09:45 PM

If you put the HDi in passthrough it will pass 576i out the HDMI on SD channels, and obviously whatever res the HD chanenls are when viewed.

Be aware not all displays will accept 576i on HDMI, most newer ones will.

Cyril

are they as good as Sky make them out to be or have they issues like when the MY SKY first came out

krs

01-08-2008, 08:40 PM

Wellington Vs HB game looks particulary crappy tonight.
When did we start playing with a square ball?

Injuised

04-09-2008, 10:28 PM

Sounds like the Sky HDi box has software issues allready, the SD pics through the HDMI cable are so poor techs are having to use the S-video lead to get a watchable picture,

Appears they have this problem sorted now
now the legacy boxes are havin problems with s-video

sub

05-09-2008, 07:11 AM

Appears they have this problem sorted nowHave they actually changed something? I havnt noticed an improvement. The picture produced by my MySky HDi box (connected via HDMI) for the standard def channels are not as good as they were in the past with my previous sky box with component video cable.

Injuised

05-09-2008, 10:27 AM

Have they actually changed something? I havnt noticed an improvement. The picture produced by my MySky HDi box (connected via HDMI) for the standard def channels are not as good as they were in the past with my previous sky box with component video cable.

Aparently there was a download to fix the problem of the crap SD channels through the HDMI cable

1KIW-FM

12-10-2008, 11:54 AM

Just joined this site.
I am an ex pat working in the USA for a company called Dish Network.
America's answer to Sky TV.
At the moment we have 120 HD stations with about 150 by new year 09.
It's really interesting to see what is happening back in NZ
I used to work part time for a company that installed Sky back in the days when they had HBO, CNN and ESPN.
A quick question to the forum members.
Does anyone have photos of TX sites for FM for around NZ?
I have a few but I would like to update my database
Cheers

Alex

Injuised

14-10-2008, 08:33 PM

kiwisteve is the one to ask about that

Injuised

14-10-2008, 08:37 PM

on prime only installs the techs have been told to use the old single 11300 LNBs
and only to use the old tp2 and tp3 decoders
Sky is loosing to much money with clever little kiwis gettin a prime only install and then puttin a FTA STB on top of it

sky_satt

14-10-2008, 09:26 PM

I fail to see how an 11300 / tp2/tp3 decoder use will resolve their intention!
simple resolve to sky would be to make Prime fta from their own tp on sat to all NZ.

Injuised

15-10-2008, 07:46 AM

I fail to see how an 11300 / tp2/tp3 decoder use will resolve their intention!
simple resolve to sky would be to make Prime fta from their own tp on sat to all NZ.

I know that and you know that , but I think Sky are too busy concentrating on slowing the uptake of freeview

sky_satt

15-10-2008, 09:12 AM

As most see it sky are in that no win situation if anything the opposite it will only speed-up the take-up of freeview services not slow it down, Prime is an fta after all, as above sky may keep Prime fta on their TP without the need to join freeview platform.think about it sky could hold an upper hand, sky could if it chose to not allow the accedited freeview box load Prime without skys consent, but Prime would be available to all an sundry on an fta non accedited stb through the sky tp, then it cannot be said that Prime is not FTA "could it" considering the pending review.

NB: The Accedited freeview stb will find an load only those channels that are on the freeview platform, not an intended fta on sky, unless sky provides freeview consent to do sounds alike TVNZ6-7 doesn't it.