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Apsattv
23-03-2008, 11:46 PM
From http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/dailynews/4447839a6002.html

Taranaki is being left in the dark ages as high definition digital television goes on line.

The land-based service for Freeview HD, New Zealand's first high definition TV provider, will become available on April 2.

About 75% of the country will be able to access the service and Taranaki is not included.

Retailers in the region, selling thousands of dollars worth of high definition TVs, are angry Taranaki will not be able to access the service.

The Ministry of Economic Development has allocated frequencies for 87% coverage of the country, but set-up costs were too high to connect them all, Freeview general manager Steve Browning said.

"It is a terrestrial-based service, which means transmitters have to be put on hill sides and each extra transmitter added is obviously more cost.

"The frequencies are sitting there, so it is matter of a cost equation for the broadcasters."

At the moment, Freeview is available in Taranaki to people who install the required satellite dish.

Terrestrial transmission will not require a dish.

TVNZ and Mediaworks, the owners of TV3 and C4, are footing most of the bill for setting up and running the network, which makes a number of extra free-to-air channels available.

Mr Browning said deciding who would receive the service was done on population size and New Plymouth only just missed out.

There are presently no plans to connect Taranaki. It depends on how fast the rest of the country signs up.

"These things take time to roll out and it is a significant amount of money."

Mr Browning said people living outside the main centres would not be upset they could not receive the service.

"People who live in smaller centres are actually quite used to this sort of thing."

People buying high definition televisions were not wasting their money, he said.

"We buy TVs hoping that they are going to last seven to 10 years, so I'm sure that there will be high definition television in Taranaki within seven to 10 years."

Mason Appliances owner Mike Walsh said he was telling his customers the high definition service was on the way.

"Taranaki people are quite forward in getting into new technology but they are feeling a bit left out. They are getting new TVs that have high definition, and they can't use it."

Mr Walsh said his biggest concern was they had been unable to get answers on when the region could expect to get the service.

"We want to know a date so we can tell our customers."

Apsattv
23-03-2008, 11:47 PM
Quite a few people in Taranaki should still have a good chance of picking up digital from Te Aroha or Wharite.

kiwisteve
24-03-2008, 11:34 AM
The problem with that is they probably want 24/7 signal
Wharite to Taranaki suffers very bad fading and Te Aroha would be similar

:D:D

krs
24-03-2008, 04:06 PM
Anybody know what the population of Palmy and surrounding area that is missing out. Just want to see how that compares to Southland.

kiwisteve
24-03-2008, 04:19 PM
Population of whole of taranaki around 70,000

no problem with Palmerston North
primary coverage from Wharite

Apsattv
24-03-2008, 04:51 PM
The problem with that is they probably want 24/7 signal
Wharite to Taranaki suffers very bad fading and Te Aroha would be similar

:D:D

Is fading an issue with digital? I guess it could cause some decoders to lock up?

kiwisteve
24-03-2008, 04:59 PM
from Council web site

Numbers of people counted

Taranaki Region Males 50,418 Females 52,437 Total 102,858 Change since 1996 Census -3,732

kiwisteve
24-03-2008, 05:01 PM
Digital fades too

kiwisteve
24-03-2008, 05:01 PM
Yes fading will cause the decoder to stop if BER gets to bad / signal below threshold .
I have experienced signals from Wharite to Egmont which is line of site completely go into the noise on anlogue

herbie_g
24-03-2008, 06:36 PM
from Council web site

Numbers of people counted

Taranaki Region Males 50,418 Females 52,437 Total 102,858 Change since 1996 Census -3,732

Palmerston North City is just short of 80,000 in itself. Surrounding areas would be possibly another 90,000 (Inc Levin, Feilding, Woodville, Dannevirke & parts of Wanganui) - around 170,000+ in total.

kiwisteve
24-03-2008, 07:07 PM
Manawatu was not the concern it was Taranaki
which is not in the Wharite coverage area

Apsattv
24-03-2008, 07:16 PM
Yes fading will cause the decoder to stop if BER gets to bad / signal below threshold .
I have experienced signals from Wharite to Egmont which is line of site completely go into the noise on anlogue

Yes but are you referring to being up on Egmont? might be different at ground level. Anyway i think most would accept a few dropouts if fade is an issue.

We await the first Taranaki report..

krs
24-03-2008, 07:48 PM
Just on the fading issue. I've been told that dtt will hold out down to about 37dB.
How about ghosting in the signal?
Has anyone had any first hand facts about these two issues?

krs
24-03-2008, 07:50 PM
Palmerston North City is just short of 80,000 in itself. Surrounding areas would be possibly another 90,000 (Inc Levin, Feilding, Woodville, Dannevirke & parts of Wanganui) - around 170,000+ in total.

Can all of these people be serviced by one transmitter?

herbie_g
24-03-2008, 08:08 PM
Can all of these people be serviced by one transmitter?

Yes. Wharite serves one of the largest geographical areas in NZ. It's even used as a VHF feeder to the Picton TV translator. It's primary coverage area is basically Otaki in the south through coastal Wanganui, across to southern Hawkes Bay and northern Wairarapa.

TV2 (Ch 4V) is the strongest signal which can be received further afield again. As a kid, we used to receive this signal in Taradale, Napier before they got service of their own from Mt. Erin on Ch 8V.

The height of the mast is some 942m above sea level.

Interestingly, Mt. Egmont, due to it's shear elevation, serves much of the central plateau as well as Taranaki. Just so happens the population base is very low around the plateau as well.

Herb.

kiwisteve
25-03-2008, 08:01 AM
Yes huge coverage area go to Maori TV web site and coverage
Wharite / Manawatu

herb you are showing your age with the TV2 Napier comment !! :D:D:D:D

kiwisteve
25-03-2008, 08:10 AM
on the fading issue. I've been told that dtt will hold out down to about 37dB.
How about ghosting in the signal?
Has anyone had any first hand facts about these two issues?

The Sample topfield STB I tested I found I could just get it to work and lock on pix when the analouges on same site were very snowy and virtually at the point of dropping colour and noisy sound . This was done by rotating antenna.
There was some ghosting on the analouge signals as well . For Digital it will depend on the delay time and level of the ghost signal on how the decoder will ignore it .

brunzy
25-03-2008, 02:48 PM
Just on the fading issue. I've been told that dtt will hold out down to about 37dB.
How about ghosting in the signal?
Has anyone had any first hand facts about these two issues?

The Zinwell box locks down to 28dbuv